puntea spate e in stil megane coach, axa spate impinsa mult spre inapoi. e o strutocamila usdm+eudm. imi amintesc inainte de aparitia scirocco-ului, cate poze si cate variante vazusem. a iesit ce stim toti....

Criminal de urata ! O fi fost generata de cosmarul "after Fukushima", sau poate Dumnezeu o fi vazut-o si s-a gandit sa-i zgaltaie putin pentru a-i trezi la realitate .... Oricum, designer-ii ar trebui condamnati pentru agresiune vizuala.

Sa vedem ce o sa iasa oficial ca nu are rost sa ne luam dupa niste PS-upuri facute de cine stie ce publicatii. Eu sper ca macar sa se ridice la rangul ultimei generatii.

Bold looks, class-leading cabin space and more comfort than ever – that’s the new Honda Civic. 
Set to make its debut at theFrankfurt Motor Show
next month, with sales starting here in early 2012, the ninth-generation of the Japanese firm’s compact family car has made some huge leaps forward in an attempt to steal sales from the Ford Focus. We’ll have to wait until Frankfurt to see the finished model, but these official pictures of a prototype at least give an idea of how the new model is shaping up.

While it won’t be as much of a visual departure as the current car was over its predecessor, there have been plenty of tweaks beneath the surface. Honda says its engineers have concentrated on improving the Civic’s ride and handling, with significant changes to the rear suspension set-up. 
As with the outgoing model, the new car uses a torsion beam arrangement – which is more compact than a multi-link system (as used by the Focus and Volkswagen Golf), and should ensure impressive rear seat space and luggage room. 
Thanks to the incorporation of fluid-filled bushes, Honda says it has improved the Civic’s ride, making it more comfortable over bumps. Engineers have also strengthened the car’s suspension components for better precision and stability, particularly at higher speeds. 
Under the bonnet, the majority of models will be powered by a revised 2.2-litre diesel, while a smaller 1.4-litre oil-burner will also appear alongside revised i-VTEC petrol units.

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Honda has revised its diesel engine in the next generation Civic hatchback. It's now cleaner and more powerful.

Wake up! This is lightly important news because the CO2 in the 2.2-litre i-DTEC engine drops from 129g/km to 110g/km, making a showroom-fresh 2012 Honda Civic tax-free for the first year and just £20 a year from then on.

Along with this drop in CO2, it's also been treated to a tiny dollop of power too. The revised unit now produces 148bhp, up from the old four-pot's 138bhp. And this adheres to an oft-quoted TG truism: more is better.

These increments, that make it slightly cleaner and more powerful than a 2.0-litre TDCI Ford Focus, have been made possible using subtle forms of engine witchcraft: the oil flow through the engine has been ‘managed' to reduce circulation loss, engine materials have been revised for less friction and Honda has installed start/stop technology. The Civic was also blasted extensively in the wind tunnel to improve the car's aero, reducing drag and refining high speed stability.

Katsushi Watanabe, dev lead for the new engine said: "Reducing the emissions was our key target and we're proud to say that we have achieved this without compromising the high performance character of the engine.

"We want our customers to have fun when they drive this car", he added.

The new Civic - the ninth generation of Honda's hatch - will make its worldwide debut at the Frankfurt motor show next month, ahead of an ‘early 2012' UK on sale date. Hopefully with a slightly more visually pleasing body than the one you see above.

Excited by this clean, cuddly news?

Sursa: http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/honda...2011-08-12

De pe autoexpress

Quote: The launch of the new Honda Civic is edging ever closer, with an unveil set for the Frankfurt Motor Show in September. The Japanese firm has released more details about its new Ford Focus rival, revealing how it has used ex-Formula One engineers to make the new car more refined and quieter than ever.

Key to this is the slippery shape of the new Civic, which has been developed using the expertise of a team who worked on Honda's Formula One racers. This, the firm says, has helped them to combine a low drag coefficient with impressive high-speed stability, in turn reducing fuel consumption and making the Civic exceptionally quiet.

Engineers have also spent time in Honda’s anechoic (echo-free) chamber, which is located at the company's Swindon facility. Cabin noise has been reduced by working in the chamber to change the design of the roof lining.

“We did not improve the noise and refinement of the new Civic through just one technique,“ explained chassis development leader Kazuo Sunaoshi. “It was the accumulation of lots of little details. My big challenge was to match the noise and vibration levels of our European competitors. I am proud to say that we have achieved our goals.”

Honda has also made extensive use of UK roads to fine-tune the Civic's ride comfort on our bumpy tarmac. Sales of the new model will start in January 2012.

Sandero

nush dc sandero dar ultima poza imi sugereaza o asemanare cu accord-ul
nu pot sa zic ca e urata, arata destul de ok , spatele nu-mi place prea ridicat si disproportionat cu restul masinii as zice

am vazut ca celor mai multi pe la noi deja nu le place, e o involutie etc si parca vad ca dupa ce vor merge cu ea ca o sa fie mai buna si frumoasa

Imi place foarte mult interiorul, nu pot zice de ce dar imi place. La fel si spatele, nu arata chiar foarte rau dar bara fata ma dezamageste, bucata aia neagra de plastic nevopsit imi zgarie retina. Cand am vazut ultima poza direct la Dacia m-am gandit

da, plasticul ala din fata chiar nu stiu de cel-au pus in alta culoare, dar nu cred ca e mare chestie sa fie vopsit in culoarea masinii. Oricum cred ca o vor face singuri cat de curand dupa criticile primite

iuliane vezi ca o sa te catalogheze lumea ca fan VAg ca asa ziceau unii ca l-au facut prea incarcat si l-au VAG-inizat de tot ) greu sa multumesti oamenii, daca nu au nush ce functie de ce nu au, daca o au de ce arata asa etc

Fiecare are dreptul la opinie asa ca nu imi fac griji. In afara de stopuri spatele nu difera foarte mult de Civicul actual, la interior e cam la fel treaba, cea mai mare transformare a primit-o partea fata.
Ma gandesc ca urariile de "bine" vin din partea "fanilor" Honda nu

Cel putin in poze, dupa mine, e FUGLY.
Interiorul l-au distrus in ultimul hal, dupa cum urmeaza:
- volanul... imi provoaca sila spre deosebire de volanul FK2-ului, care imi provoaca instant hard-on
- consola de pe usa soferului... au rotunjit tot ce-au putut pe masina asta, da' butoanele alea n-au putut sa le faca decat cu muchii de sa te tai in ele, nu?
- oare butonul de avarii puteau sa-l faca ceva mai mare? Serios! Puteau? De ce n-au vopsit masina rosie ca sa deseneze un triunghi alb mare pe plafon?
Exteriorul imi repugna prin:
- profilul aripilor spate... WTF?!?
- rear bumper... frate! Ce-au avut cu spatele ala? Nu le-au ajuns banii sa plateasca designerul s-o si termine?!? Gizas! N-are pic de sare si/sau piper/personalitate.

Acum de bine. La interior ne place:
- schimbatorul de viteze si ceasurile de bord
- felul in care pilo... soferul e inconjurat de interior
- consola centrala, chiar daca nu mai miroase a Honda ci a nemtoaica.
La exterior ne place:
- aproape tot, mai putin "urechiusa" de scrumbie de pe plafon, aripile spate si rear bumper-ul (din pacate astea din urma o fac sa fie FUGLY/FUBAR... in ochii mei)

Dixit!

-volanul ca forma e la fel cu cel vechi, butoanele sunt cele care lasa de dorit.
-la bara spate ce mai trebuia facut? taiate doua triungiuri mari din care sa iasa dou tevi de tuberman (era mai frumos pe modelul precedent dar nu dadea bine pe masina asta)
- intr-adevar aripile spate sunt prea bombate dar o sa dea bine la tuning

Cum arata din spate si in interior mie imi place, in schimb bara fata Dar la fel cum s-a intamplat si cu modelul precedent cand l-au prezentat o sa se formeze tabere.
Ramane de vazut cum o sa arate cu un Type-R kit

Per total masina imi place, am ceva emotii cu privire la calitatea materialelor din interior, dar ramane de vazut asta...ce nu imi place sunt: bara spate, dadea foarte bine "fagurele" de pe vechiul model (cu toate ca si la acesta au renuntat odata cu faceliftul asa-zis), volanul care e prea gros si are niste butoane are urate pe el, butoanele de inchidere/deschidere geamuri (prea simple, prea patratoase), stopurile spate care ies inafara prea mult, nu mai are suportul acela la pedalier din aluminiu, butonul de avarii chiar e prea mare....iar ca nota personala mie imi place bara aia fata in 2 culori .

(13-09-2011, 14:17)yulasinio Wrote: -volanul ca forma e la fel cu cel vechi, butoanele sunt cele care lasa de dorit.

E la fel in sensul ca-i rotund, frate Yula? Ca alte asemanari eu nu prea mai vad. Ce-are a face covrigul ala fad si fara pic de personalitate cu imaginea din atasament?

(13-09-2011, 14:17)yulasinio Wrote: -la bara spate ce mai trebuia facut? taiate doua triungiuri mari din care sa iasa dou tevi de tuberman (era mai frumos pe modelul precedent dar nu dadea bine pe masina asta)

Nu, bre! Dar sa-i dea un pic de culoare, de personalitate, de stil. Aia-i doar o bucata de plastic indoit cu doua pete mici si rosii. O insertie de culoare, ceva... sa nu simti ca esti iarna pe campie.

(13-09-2011, 14:17)yulasinio Wrote: Ramane de vazut cum o sa arate cu un Type-R kit

Daca va exista asa ceva...

- Ala e volanul de Type-R, uitate la forma airbag-ului si ai sa vezi ce vorbesc. Intr-adevar butoanele sun cheap dar poate il folosesc asta numai pe versiunea de 5mii de euro
- Bara spate eu o vad simpla si functionala, o sa fie foarte usor de spalat
- Type-R o sa fie cu motor 1,8 sau 2L turbo, simt eu asta. Pentru ca Honda la ora actuala nu mai are nici o masina sport.

http://www.4tuning.ro/masini-noi/frankfu...tter_44682


"Evident, varianta Type-R nu se va lasa asteptata, urmand ca ea sa apara in 2012 si sa aiba in jur de 230 cp dintr-un motor aspirat, asa cum ne-a obisnuit compania japoneza."

De unde au luat aia stirea? Pai Honda a scos K20-ul din productie pentru ca nu mai pot tine pasul cu normele de poluare si aia zic ca o sa fie un motor aspirat de 230CP Tipic 4Tuning

(13-09-2011, 16:46)yulasinio Wrote: - Ala e volanul de Type-R, uitate la forma airbag-ului si ai sa vezi ce vorbesc. Intr-adevar butoanele sun cheap dar poate il folosesc asta numai pe versiunea de 5mii de euro

Da, colegu, stiu ca e de Type-R, insa diferentele de concept intre volanul de FN2 si cel de FK2 le numeri pe degetele unui ciung, iar cele dintre volanul de FK2 si cel de... cum i-o zice asteia noi... le numeri pe degetele unui miriapod. Da, ok, amandoua au un airbag bombat, dar pe aici se opresc asemanarile, daca ma intrebi pe mine.

(13-09-2011, 16:46)yulasinio Wrote: - Type-R o sa fie cu motor 1,8 sau 2L turbo, simt eu asta. Pentru ca Honda la ora actuala nu mai are nici o masina sport.

Sa te-auda Takanobu Ito!

(13-09-2011, 17:15)DeN1gRator Wrote: "Evident, varianta Type-R nu se va lasa asteptata, urmand ca ea sa apara in 2012 si sa aiba in jur de 230 cp dintr-un motor aspirat, asa cum ne-a obisnuit compania japoneza."

ROFLMAO! Asa cum ne-a obisnuit compania japoneza, restul fiind cancan!

Nu arata rau, dar imi place mai mult cea pe care o am. Cu versiunea asta au cam dat-o in "comercial", as zice. La exterior, nu imi place spatele nici sa ma bati cu lantul. Fata e ok. La interior, nu arata chiar rau, dar mi se pare un pic incarcat.Volanu e de "ceasu' rau, pisica neagra"
Acum vine durerea: 2CP in plus la motorul pe benzina? WTF? I-DTEC-ul de 150CP suna binisor, dar putea sa mai aiba macar vreo 10-15 CP in plus. E loc, se stie asta.Sper sa fi rezolvat problemele cu ambreiajul .
Ramane de vazut pretul si evident, comportamentul in viata reala.
Dupa umila mea parere, incep sa piarda grav la capitolul design. Poate asta se doreste. Ca performante, nu vin cu nimic sa te dea pe spate. Cred ca vor o masina care sa se vanda, nu pe care s-o iubesti si care sa fie o "extensie" a ta.
Type-R? Tare sunt curios....