mersi de sfaturi
sa vad ce pot face fara camber bolts si camber arms ca n-am de nici unele ieri am vb cu Tom (daca a pus el ceva pe fata si cum si-a facut geometria fara ele) ca eu stiam, cel putin pe spate ca am vazut cu ochii mei ca sunt alea standard si din ce am vazut lumea prin uk zice ca nu permit nici o modificare.

Acus s-ar putea sa fie posibile niste ajustari dar sa vad cat.
Legat de toe pe spate, tom mi-a sugerat sa folosesc reglaju din suspensie, edfc-ul, si sa raman cu toe 0 pe spate dar sa o fac ceva mai moale pe spate sa tina aderenta.

Greu si cu setup-urile astea.
Oricum asa cum zicea si toyboy conteaza si echilibrarea masinii si din ce am vazut cea mai buna setare se face atunci cand faci si corner weigthing-ul. Dar cum la noi nu prea ai la cine sa apelezi sau altfel la cine stie ce costuri.

Chiar sunt curios daca aparatura de la asko stie sa faca si corner weighting, desi nu prea m-as baza ca baietii stiu sa faca un setup de circuit, ci se rezuma mereu la geo standard honda care ii subviratorie tare pt siguranta.


uite si threadu de pe ctro in care iti dai seama care e treaba cu geo si weighting-ul (cititi-l ca e f interesant si are info bune)

Wheel Alignment and Corner Weighting
Wheel alignment and corner weighting services are one of our specialties at our workshop in Kidderminster, Midlands. From our time in BTCC we gained a vast amount of experience and knowledge which now allows us to set up any vehicle from kit cars to saloon and hatchbacks.

Our system is a fantastic solution for those who have had problems aligning lowered cars where the alignment system cant be used due to minimal arch gap.

We use Beissbarth alignment equipment which in the motorsport industry is renound as the best system on the market today, this system is actually currently used by Honda BTCC and RML who run Chevrolet in BTCC and back the WTCC team also. This isn’t just a standard alignment you’re getting, every possible anomalies are catered for. For example, wheel run out and tyre deformation, these are the sort of issues that standard digital and laser alignment systems simply can’t read or compensate for leaving you the consumer with a poorly aligned car.

Beissbarth geometry measurements include camber, caster, KPI or SAI, individual and total toe front and rear, set back and thrust axis, plus other calculated angles which indicate if the chassis is straight and true or not.

Standard Beissbarth Alignment Benefits over other systems
• Calibrated every time alignment is performed. In comparison, other digital rim mounted systems are calibrated every 6 – 12 months. To bring this into context if you ever knock any of the laser units they will lose their calibration giving incorrect readings.

• Our units compensate for wheel run out which cause incorrect readings. If you’ve ever watched an alignment being performed on your car, you’ll remember how small the adjustments are to make huge differences in the readings. Typically turning a toe bolt 1/20th of a turn will be the difference between 0.5mm toe out to 0.5mm toe in.

All alloy wheels even the most expensive are never perfectly round just like brake discs. When you spin your wheel off the floor you’ll hear the brake disc just catch the pads each turn on 1 -2 separate occasions, this is due to run out. If the alignment system is mounted on a rim and run out of the wheel isn’t compensated for by the system this will again give incorrect readings.

• Full printout’s and on screen displays. We allow all our customers to watch their alignment being performed, this means you have peace of mind seeing everything we’re doing and seeing for yourself the accuracy to which the alignment is performed.
Once the alignment is completed the whole process is repeated by the Beissbarth system to ensure all readings measured are correct.

After the re-check is performed a full print out is given to the customer displaying all results from the alignment that’s been performed.

Prices at the bottom of the page.

Corner Weighting and alignment
Corner weighting is vastly important if you want your car to feel balanced when driving on track or in a spirited manor.

Corner weighting basically balances your car making sure the static weight and cross weight is evenly distributed. When corner weighting is performed it’s important to have half a tank of fuel or a middle range of fuel you will run if racing. We will then use weights in the driver seat to compensate for the weight of the driver.

Importance
If a car is heavier one side to the other then not only will that heavier side have more grip when turning but also under braking, in light of this the car will feel very nervous if weight isn’t distributed evenly.

If you’ve drove on track before you’ll most likely be fully aware of these characteristics especially when braking. If you brake even when slightly turning the car will start to drift causing the car to feel very unsettled, this is all due to the fact there is more weight on the corner opposite the direction you’re turning. If the weight in a straight line isn’t distributed evenly then these characteristics will be present even when braking in a perfectly straight direction.

How our system works
We use intercomp equipment to corner weight vehicles with custom CNC plates bolted to the hub to remove any runout anomalies and to allow for easy adjustment. Your no doubt thinking easy adjustment for us is great but how does it benefit you as the consumer?

To explain this we’ll firstly highlight the usual corner weight adjustment process. When adjusting a car firstly it would be placed onto the scales and the scales then checked. Adjustment if large will usually be performed by adjusting ride height to transfer weight, preload can also be adjusted to do this depending on the strut design and chassis layout. Once the initial readings are gained the car is then raised, wheels removed and rough estimate adjustment is made, wheels are then replaced and the process is repeated until the corner weighting is close to being correct.

How our system benefits you is down to the fact these CNC’d plates make all adjustments accessible to us whilst the car is on the scales meaning labour costs are far cheaper. On Average over our old system we can perform corner weighting over twice as fast as previously.

Here is an image of our custom CNC plates, as you can see height and preload adjustments are easily accessible. You can also see the corner weight scales.


mid adjustment for an Ep3 CTR


Corner weighting summarised benefits
• Tables always leveled to ensure accuarte readings for both alignment and corner weighting.
• Weight distributed from left to right as accurately as physically possible.
• Equal cross weight distribution
• Half the time due to custom CNC plates reducing labour costs
• Balanced handling characteristics under turning, braking and accelerating
• Increased driver confidence
• Alignment and corner weighting can be performed at the same time again to reduce labour costs over other systems.

Here is a review from one of our recent customers: - viewtopic.php?f=155&t=243302

The best part of this is we're currently NO more expensive than companies with far less accurate equipment!

Prices
Standard Alignment using Beissbarth system– Prices start from £95 inc all Charges

Corner weighting and Alignment – Prices start from £165 inc all Charges

Corner weighting – Prices start from £85 inc all charges

Mda, as da si eu banii astia sa stiu ca mi-o face ceas

Pai ti-a face ceas dar nu tine o viata apoi trebuie sa o faci iarasi. cel mai simplu sistem folosit si de o gramada de piloti este cel facut cu ata si cu ruleta

Titlu: DIY alignment

Ok here it comes.

Red:are the strings attached to 2 blocks or any thing that will hold them solid

Green distances are important, 100mm is what i used, can be any thing you choose once they are all the same.

To align:
All on the same Wheel (e.g Front left)
@ 0.00 toe
pink and blue lines ( distance from line to rim) will be the same as each other (e.g. for me dist from center = 100mm, dist to front of rim " blue" = 80mm, dist to rear of rim "pink" = 80mm ). after adjusting.

Rear Left:
@ toe in 2mm:
Pink line is shorter than blue line by a set distance.

Steps!
1.Have car on level ground.
2.Lock Steering wheel straight! i used vice grips in foot well where steering rod enters car.
3. Set up as in diagram.
4.Adjust track rods to get front toe to 0.00, roll car back froward after adjustment and before measuring , to allow wheel settle.

Lengthen track rod to - toe (in), or shorten to + toe (out)

TO TRACK CORRECTLY CAR MUST BE full weight on ground, Tracking jacked wont work as angles change as suspension moves.
Pain in the ass to adjust rods as mine is 10mm drop!!

Razvane sunt cei de la car setup din TG-Jiu care se lauda ca fac lucruri de genul asta:

http://www.car-setup.com/Servicii.php

da, pana la urma am schimbat ulei, placute spate, echlibrat rotile de vara si puse sus. Scump rau la asko geometria, 250 ron iar ca sa verific ce am acum 150 ron, in conditiile in care prin oras peste tot e la jumatate.

Cand oi lua camber arms si bolts atunci mi-o fac pana atunci o las asa ca nu trage dr/stg si cauciucurile nu au nici o uzura neuniforma. M-am agitat si io ca pestele pe uscat, degeaba

in trafic



am incheiat prima sesiune de track, masina s-a comportat exemplar in schimb eu am cam lasat de dorit, cel putin nu-s multumit deloc cum merg, dar stiu ce e de facut si o sa ma apuc de exersat.

Una peste alta mi-a placut la nebunie, e diferenta maxima fata de mersul pe strazile publice, dar a fost si infricosator, cel putin cand am intrat prima data si am vazut ca virajele nu-s deloc asa cum par in film in schimb aderenta fenomenala, cred ca doar pe cauciuc ar fi mai bine.

ceva poze si o sa urc mai incolo si vreo doua filmulete.

grupul




doua rosii

















adi in departare (asta s-a dat cu vw-aginistii)



si regina balului in carne si oase care dadea flacari de balaur

Nu e ca in jocurile pe PC ha? Vad ca ati fost cativa din Romania prezenti.

Sunteti tot acolo s-au ati plecat catre casa?

Bravos, compadres! V-ati distrat bine, sa-nteleg!

Superb nsx-ul! Felicitari pentru participare! A fost super din cate vad. Baiatul din ungaria cu nsx-ul e client fidel si mai are un amic cu inca unul supercharged! Am vazut o filmare cu sti-ul lui Mirea....flames :x




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Termina ma ca nu m-am dat cu genistii aia , numa chiar cu TEO cu Cupra ce am stat la palavre ca era sibian si am mers impreuna cu el tot drumu dus si intors.

Ziua de track chiar a fost belea, nu te mai subestima atata ca mergi (dpdv tehnic) foarte bine, numa sa mai prinzi putin curaj si sigur o sa scoti timpi foarte buni...nici eu nu am mers ce stii ce, a fost prima oara doar, mai avem muuulte de invatat.

Asa e prima data, ai emotii, ti frica sa nu o pierzi si sa iesi in decor, nu iti iasa franarea...Asa m-am simtit si eu prima oara.

important e ca ai muscat din asfalt, usor usor vin si pretentile odata cu ele si belelele
deocamdata bine ca te-a ascultat aia mica, data viitoare ii arati tu care-i sefu´
mai stiu eu pe unu, a plecat la mama dreq, 2000 km distanta sa dea drumu la dihanie pe pista si cand a ajuns acolo si a vazut ca nici macar trusa cu scule nu o are cu el si-a facut cruce si-o pupat D-ul mai ca in prima zi cand la cumparat

probabil ca ma asteptam eu sa fie mai usor si cand a fost live n-a mai fost asa dar pana la urmatoarea sesiune din toamna ne pregatim cum putem.

O singura greseala grava am facut, am schimbat prea devreme din 4 in 3 si am facut un overrev, cam pana in 9000 din ce am apucat sa vad pe turometru.
Daca era sa se intample ceva presupun ca se vedea/simtea pana acum, nu?

Altfel, in afara de hondele noastre si lotus elise la toate celelalte a crapat cate ceva, traiasca aspiratu.
Franele pentru care mi-am facut griji au tinut cu brio, de la inceput pana la sfarsit au fost de incredere. Cred ca trebuie sa schimb fata ca-s pe terminate totsi.

Some more pics







il cunoasteti?

@adi bah vezi ca la sfarsitul lui aprilie e din nou open day, asa ca dai bataie cu pregatirile daca vrei sa mergi.

Frumos, frumos, frumos...

Vad ca si vremea a fost numai buna pentru track. Asteptam neste filme

un filmulet cu Tom in actiune (S2000) si cat de chinuit e Evo-ul galben(fum de locomotiva din cauza softului skn ro)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB4VMbkmFDQ

Hai Razvane cu filmuletul ce l-ai facut .

LE: tare, am postat deodata.

Adevaraciune!!!!!!!!!!!

Ba da scoate ala fum nu gluma si eu care ziceam ca a mea fumeaza

Adi, ce faceai mah in curba aia te tineai de volan

Trajam de el spre stanga ca sa nu o iau in dreapta mah , m-am mai si tinut de el ca m-au cam lasat gumele pe ultimele 2 sesiuni si eram tot de-a latu pe viraje .

Pai tu ai fost la alergare sau la drift?? :Rollinglaugh: